Plumber (PLU)

2012 Guide - Second Period Package (29 Modules) Comments

Date: 10/13/2022 1:53:04 PM
Module: 060201abC
Version: 24
Page: 5
Comment: Figure two is the wrong figure to match the text on pg 6. It also is identical to fig 4. And as such, they both have the same sizing error, being the piece of pipe between the water closet and the bathtub. It should be 2" (not 3").
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 10/13/2022 2:25:18 PM
Module: 060201abC
Version: 24
Page: 10
Comment: top of page #6 Alberta amendments ended in 2017. This from Alberta Codes and Standards webpage: National Plumbing Code of Canada 2015: Declared in force on January 1, 2017 According to the current NPC, there is no restriction on tying the clothes washer trap arm to the same riser as the laundry tray. It could read like below: **The minimum size of a drain serving a clothes washer is 2" according to NPC Table 2.4.9.3 NPC Article 2.4.2.1 (4) outlines restrictions when there a change of direction more than 45° and there is more than one clothes washer on a soil or waste pipe. NPC Article 2.4.5.1 (5) states that: Where a vent pipe is connected into the suds pressure zone as referred to in sentence (4), it should not have any other vent tie within the height of the suds pressure zone. Refer to Note A-2.4.2.1 (4).**
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 10/13/2022 3:06:25 PM
Module: 060201abC
Version: 24
Page: 11
Comment: #13 Text does not match the illustration in Figure 5. Figure 5 clearly has a floor drain wet vented through the Laundry Tray. Not vented through the building drain as the text states. I would suggest fixing the drawing to match the text. We had a drawing that matched that text in older versions of the ILMs'. The most recent past versions had this same error.
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 10/14/2022 9:38:30 AM
Module: 060201abC
Version: 24
Page: 13
Comment: #32 Continuous Waste The maximum length is 1200 mm as per NPC 2.4.8.2 (1) Alberta Amendments ended 2017.
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 10/14/2022 10:06:08 AM
Module: 060201abC
Version: 24
Page: 15
Comment: pages 15 to 18 have the sizing for figure 6, however the sizing text doesn't completely align with the illustration in Figure 6. The numbers on the illustration don't align with the numbers in the description. What the text and numbering does match is the illustration from the old modules, specifically figure 16 from 060201d version 21.
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 10/14/2022 10:11:23 AM
Module: 060201abC
Version: 24
Page: 18
Comment: #28 see my previous comment about mismatched illustration, but in any regard, in #28 it incorrectly states that the wet vent will be 1-1/2" It clearly states that it will be wet venting the water closet, so therefore, according to NPC Table 2.5.8.1, a 2" wet vent will be the minimum required.
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 10/17/2022 11:44:19 AM
Module: 060201abC
Version: 24
Page: 33
Comment: Figure 20 on page 33 shows an illustration of a p-trap with 50 mm of water column (25 up / 25 down). It should show 12.5 down/12.5 up to indicate 25mm of pressure. The text beside the illustration is correct as the code states that 25mm of water column is required for a final test. Article 2.3.3.6 (1)e.
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 10/18/2022 1:13:36 PM
Module: 060201abC
Version: 24
Page: 22
Comment: Item "Q" is wrong. The arrow for "Q" in Figure 12 (pg 21) points to the "Trap Arm for the Water Closet" which would be 3". So I recommend to either change the text for "Q" -OR- move the arrow for "Q" on Figure 12 to point to the wet vent location between Lav/Bath and WC trap arms.
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 1/1/2019 12:00:00 AM
Module: 060203d
Version: 5.4
Page: 28
Comment: A FFRT for appliances up to 400 MBH is stated in the ILM as 180 seconds; in the B149.3 it clearly states that the FFRT should be 90 seconds. To compound this it has been several code renditions that this was changed. As this would likely be a really good exam question - it poses a dilemma for the students: answer it according to code or the mis-statement in the ILM.
Status: Update in Progress

Date: 10/6/2022 9:48:34 AM
Module: 060204f
Version: 24
Page: 20
Comment: the self test questions in this module can't be found in the module. Not sure where they are from.... They are unanswerable by students using the module as reference.
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/28/2022 9:23:57 AM
Module: 060205a
Version: 24
Page: 15
Comment: last calculation on pg 15 incorrectly shows 714 ... it should be 715 as per figure 19
Status: Approved for Review

Date: 9/28/2022 9:19:45 AM
Module: 060205a
Version: 24
Page: 26
Comment: Answer to question 13 is incorrect. It is 20.5° from question 13 on pg22 CAH 1405/1500=0.93666 Cos-1 = 20.5
Status: Approved for Review


Archived Comments

Year: 2021

2/2/2021 10:54:01 AM
Module: 060202d
Version: 21
Page: 21
Comment: Figure 3 should have Btu/hr and the result then would be lbs/hr, which is what is intended as the title to the figure clearly indicates.
Status: Implemented

1/29/2021 1:25:27 PM
Module: 060202d
Version: 21
Page: 12
Comment: Table 8 shows room a volume calculation but has the answer shown as "sq.ft." Change to "cu.ft."
Status: Implemented

1/29/2021 1:23:18 PM
Module: 060202d
Version: 21
Page: 11
Comment: First paragraph, last sentence, needs a triangle for the Delta T.
Status: Implemented

1/29/2021 1:20:59 PM
Module: 060202d
Version: 21
Page: 5
Comment: midway down page 5 after the statement: "Total heat lost through this wall per hour is:" it should have "Delta T" right after the "100°F" (with a triangle, not "Delta" and a capital "T")
Status: Implemented

1/29/2021 10:05:42 AM
Module: 060202d
Version: 21
Page: 5
Comment: Midway down the page the sentence starts: "The heat loss...." and ends with "...(temperature difference is abbreviated as t)" There should be a triangle to represent the Delta and the "t" should be capitalized to "T".
Status: Implemented

1/29/2021 10:00:24 AM
Module: 060202c
Version: 21
Page: 15
Comment: Figure 20 where it says "Damage may occur" should now say, "Damage now won't occur". This figure has added an anchor close to the elbow next to the wall, and with the 2" of space between the piping and the wall will avoid the potential damage as illustrated in Figure 19.
Status: Implemented

Year: 2020

11/30/2020 9:58:23 AM
Module: 060201a
Version: 21
Page: 24
Comment: Second sentence under heading, "Sizing the Hot Water Heater" states "...using the information from Figure 15." This is the wrong Figure. It should refer to "Figure 16".
Status: Implemented

11/27/2020 11:10:49 AM
Module: 060201a
Version: 21
Page: 16
Comment: First sentence under the heading "Soldering Copper Tube" should be fixed to read better. "..., must be soldered with solder materials that do not have a lead content in excess of 0.2%. See Article 2.2.9.2 (2)" or "..., must be soldered with soldering materials that do not contain an excess of 0.2% lead content." (I like the first better.)
Status: Implemented

11/27/2020 10:51:42 AM
Module: 060201a
Version: 21
Page: 15
Comment: Last sentence on page 15 states that minimum pressure is 50 kPag to ensure minimal operation of fixtures. I am not sure why this number is in there or where it came from. The code (NPC) clearly states in 2.6.3.4 (5)b that minimum water pressure is 200 kPa which is roughly 30 psi (29 actually).
Status: Implemented

11/13/2020 9:20:39 AM
Module: 060201d
Version: 21
Page: 30
Comment: bottom of page #13 incorrectly states that the floor drain has no vent and so must be 3". The floor drain is wet vented through the laundry tray and upstairs sink (I don't really think that it is a "kitchen sink", but inconsequential as far as exercise is concerned) as stated in #8 and as evidenced in Figure 18.
Status: Declined

11/13/2020 9:00:07 AM
Module: 060201d
Version: 21
Page: 18
Comment: Number 13 at bottom of page, referring to Figure 15, states that the floor drain is vented through the building drain and so must be 3". In fact, the floor drain is wet vented through pipe #8, as stated in #8 and as is evident in Figure 15, so could be reduced to 2" in size.
Status: Declined

11/10/2020 1:12:55 PM
Module: 060201c
Version: 21
Page: 46
Comment: Objective Six Exercise does not meet the definition of an exercise. Although it could be the answer to an exercise, if the exercise was to use the NPC to look up and define the various articles and tables as listed there; such as: 1) Article 2.5.2.1 describes what? 2) Article 2.5.7.1 describes what? 3) Table 2.5.7.1 lists what? ... and so on.
Status: Implemented

11/10/2020 1:04:37 PM
Module: 060201c
Version: 21
Page: 43
Comment: Figure 44 shows roof vent with 1-1/2" x 2" increaser penetrating through roof. NPC Article 2.5.6.5 (3) states that a vent through roof must not be less than 3" where risk of frost closure exists. Seeing that we are in Alberta, I don't agree that fig 44 shows a 2" termination.
Status: Implemented

11/10/2020 11:18:53 AM
Module: 060201d
Version: 21
Page: 29
Comment: Figure 19 does not appear in my copy of the ILM, although there is a reference to the TIF file that would be there.
Status: Implemented

11/10/2020 10:31:56 AM
Module: 060205g
Version: 21
Page: 24
Comment: Question 9 in the self test, I think, should use 305 mm for the rough-in measurement for the water closet. It appears by the answer on pg 26, that 300 is being used as a approximation (or 'soft conversion') of 12 in. to mm. The rough-in measurement as per Crane would be 305mm. If 300mm is what we want to use, then it should be given in the question as the rough-in measurement to use. This would save frustration. My math for the question is : 5285 + 2130 + 1645 = 9060 – (70 + 305 + 12.7) = 8672.3 Using 300 for the rough-in would make my answer agree with the book (8677.3 mm).
Status: Declined

11/9/2020 2:51:08 PM
Module: 060201c
Version: 21
Page: 21
Comment: In the first sentence in point #8, the third instance of "storey" needs to be corrected from "stores" to "storey".
Status: Implemented

11/5/2020 10:56:36 AM
Module: 060201b
Version: 21
Page: 29
Comment: last sentence in paragraph 3 states that rainfall data can be obtained from NPC, which is a typo. It should say NBC. The code reference to this can be found in NPC15 at 2.4.10.4(1) -- "...maximum 15 min rainfall determined in conformance with Subsection 1.1.3 of Division B of the NBC,..."
Status: Implemented

10/22/2020 1:42:48 PM
Module: 060205eB
Version: 21
Page: 37
Comment: Figure 38, Answers for Exercise 3, Question 11 North Arrow is pointing in the wrong direction. In order to be correct, the drawing has to spin to the correct orientation (stack to the North), or an easier fix is to switch the North Arrow to point Down and to the Right.
Status: Implemented

10/6/2020 10:09:34 AM
Module: 060202d
Version: 21
Page: 24
Comment: We need to remove the percent (%) from the TEL equation, or change the factor from 1.5 to 150, however 1.5 is the common method, (multiply by one and a half...is what has been commonly taught for 30+ years) 130 x 1.5% is not equal to 195 so then it should read at the bottom of the page: Total length of pipe x fitting allowance factor (1.5) = TEL (total equivalent length)
Status: Implemented